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Maybe I'm missing something very basic about HD2 technique, but is there some normal (non-glitch) way to maintain the cross-hair view with a sniper rifle or other rifle while you move?

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One way is to walk or move in crouched slowly so you can keep you?re aim on, even though you?re movement also affects your aim more then.

Thanks for the observation, but this isn't the case as far as I can determine. ANY movement forward or backward or sideways, even if crawling, will take you out of 'cross-hair' or 'barrel-site' view while your moving. You then have to reestablish the cross-hair when you stop moving. This is normal and natural and the way it should be. That's what makes a sniper rifle powerful but limited, since you need to be still when you use it. There's even a 'breath' control, as we all know.

The reason I'm asking this question is because recently there are a few players online who are racking up huge scores (it seems to me impossible scores) by moving while they snipe. (One guy had a score of 49kills to 1deth this way in Alps1 and this against a lot of very good players) They actually fire with great accuracy from a great distance while they move, which means they can't be shootng 'from the hip' as would normally be required when sniping so fast and while moving. They need to be sniping with cross-hairs to have the accuracy they've got at great distances, yet the game normally does not allow this. That's what makes me think its a glitch or some weird control-key combination that would allow this way of 'sniping'. It works just too good to be true. Anyway, if anyone has had experience with this kind of player or knows any information about how this is possible, I'd certainly be interested to know of it. And if it's a glitch or cheat, well that would be good information too for us all online.
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Well, you can keep looking through the sniper scope while walking. The sniper rifle has no cross hair regardless of your movement speed. All other guns have crosshairs, which don't disappear regardless of what speed you move at.

My playing style is roughly what you describe, firing with an unscoped rifle while moving at speed. It works because you can use the crosshair to aim while moving, and you get no penalty to accuracy.

Captain Drozdov,
Maybe I'm playing a different game or there's a control that I'm unaware of. Let's take an example, say the Enfield with scope. In this example, what I'm calling the 'cross-hair view' is the magnified, telephoto view that you get looking through the scope (by which you can pick off the guy on the other side of town) NOT the little white cross-hairs that you can set to appear with any gun that widen or close as your run. This gun you can aim and fire in cross-hair (telephoto) view or out of cross-hair view, right? But, as you move forward you can fire only out of cross-hair view. That's my experience. Are you saying that you can move and fire without ever leaving cross-hair view? In other words, you could play the whole game without ever leaving your barrel-sited, telephoto cross-hairs? You can stay in telephoto as you run down the street?

Well the reason why you cannot use scope while moving is that you move too fast.

In realistic terms, good example would be that try to run and snipe same time. Your aim would be VERY unstable and it is like trying to win in a lottery.

So I suggest you walk or sneak in order to aim with the scope while moving. While crawling, you need to use both hands to crawl so it is not possible to aim while crawling.

Ah sorry, I thought you meant the white cross hair thing that appears for all guns. No, you can't keep the telescopic sight up all the time, it disappears when you run - and obviously there is no white crosshairs for the sniper rifle. In H&D you don't need the telescopic sight, or even a sniper rifle, to be able to shoot targets far away - the white on-screen crosshair has virtually the same accuracy as a telescopic scope, the only difference is it's harder to see the target with the crosshair, and harder to line up the shot. But it's not impossible, and with experience you can hit targets from hundreds of metres away just using the white crosshairs view while running.

Sure, I agree with you both and I appreciate your confirming for me that the 'mechanics of the game' that I'm experiencing are true for all. Remember, my real question is related not to the legitimate mechanics of any give gun, but rather the possibility that there is a glitch or cheat that has been found that enables a guy to use the telescopic sight in a way that no one else can, enables him to stay in scope or barrel-sight view while he moves and therefore without suffering the moment's delay that it usually takes to bring the barrel-site into view before you fire like normal sniping. I'm really not talking about simply a very good player. We've all seen these and no what they're like. I'm talking about a player that seems 'invulnerable', as in a 49 to 1 record in a game with 32 (many very good) players. Is any body really invulnerable in the game? I have encountered invulnerable players with scores like this (like for example, 'invisible' ones), but the only invulnerable players I've ever encountered are employing a glitch. I have the greatest respect for the best players and I really enjoy playing with them and learning from them, no matter how many times they 'kill' me. But glitching is like cheating at poker. It's no good.

Anyway, thanks for your input and if anyone has had the experience that I'm talking about online against a player like this, I'd be interested in your observations.

Maybe that player has a 0 ping and a high end computer?

Are you sure hes using a rifle with optic?

Are you playing in a DM or a round based match?

In a round based match its very easy to maintain a low death count...

I've seen this done in various modes of play, DM and occupation games. I don't know what you mean by 'round'. It's definitely an optics sniper rifle, Enfield or Springfield and the guy's eyeball never leaves the scope. He's picking off moving targets in the trees with one headshot at 'sniper-only' range. You know what I mean by that kind of range and cover. You can only see people at that range with optics, much less hit them, much LESS with one shot. Yes, the ping is relatively low. Of course, any sniper can stay out of range of fire from most guns, but not out of range of another sniper EXCEPT if your constantly moving as you shoot. Then, snipers can't touch you before you nail them. He is firing constantly, and there is never that moment's delay that it would normally take to 'move and fire' with optics. You know what I mean. You can move and fire, move and fire, but every time you move, you lose your view and you have to reestablish it before you sight and fire again. That's sniping. Basically, what this boils down to is a 'dancing sniper' who is firing constantly. It seems impossible to me. If he's doing it somehow legitimately, I'll certainly give him credit, but if it's a cheat, then, like all cheats, it stinks.

What was the player's name?

What you're describing can't be a glitch or a cheat, just sounds like a highly experienced sniper. I know at least 2 players who can snipe like that. Both of them only ever use sniper rifles, and have been playing virtually since the game came out (though not much now I think). You can see how they'd get that good with that practice.

They'll be using the same tactic I use for sniping in most situations. Keep in your scope view, and walk (not run) from side to side while firing at your target. Totally unrealistic of course, but very effective, even at close range. On some maps, especially a map like Alps 1 where there's a lot of space in the middle of the map between flags and a lot of cover, you can just snipe anything that moves without ever getting into a close range fit in which you're in danger.

Well, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Which is it?:

you wrote...
>No, you can't keep the telescopic sight up all the time, it disappears when you run - and obviously there is no white crosshairs for the sniper rifle.Keep in your scope view, and walk (not run) from side to side while firing at your target.<

So, if "it disappears when you run" (or walk or crawl or any other movement), how do you "Keep in your scope view while firing" at your target AS YOU MOVE? It's not only not realistic, it's impossible. IWhat IS possible, it seems to me, the technique that you're describing and is quite common, is moving side to side and re-sighting each time to fire. It's an effective technique, but it's not magic and other players have a moment to nail you as you are re-sighting. That's a normal technique that can indeed be applied very effectively by a skilled player. What I'm seeing is very different than this.

I'm not going to mention names here. I'm talking to my fellow players to get a clearer idea of what are the possibilities and see if I'm unaware of something or missing something. If there is any 'accusation' to be made at some time, I would make it to an administrator (big deal -- how many times in a given day's play do you hear 'kick the glitcher'). But I'm certainly not ready for that. I'm learning.

Kick "the glitcher" refers to gaining advantagious points by messing with the game or just plain old hiding in walls...

Have you killed him then identified the weapon in his hands?

What Drozy said is correct tho, aslong as you arnt in "fast" mode you can keep the optic up...

Are you sure hes in fast mode?

And it isnt unrealistic to walk in a strafe while keeping your weapon on target...

Yes, I see now exactly what you mean. You can indeed move in a 'walk' and fire with scope view up all the time. I so seldom 'walk' when I play, I didn't even realize this was possible. This is the technique for sure and, like you say, it is probably entirely legitimate. Thanks for the info. It's exactly what I was looking for.